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| Sep 26th 2007, 11:26 Enky Nakamura |
Federal offense of Mr.Allen? | |
| Any thoughts? IF he will not reimburse us, i think that could be a federal offense as i found on the "United States Code" under chapter 47, sec.1001 "fraud and false statements". Have a look on the possible fine, this man could risk up to 5 years of jail if it is PROVED that he commited fraud and false statements, while the penalty for violating Internet fraud laws may include a monetary fine and a prison term of up to twenty years. For now i'm sure he commited fraud and false statements within Second Life with "the success fund" ipo at the wse, where as Sal Ackand he collected 1 million linden and then disappeared. As everyone knows the FBI has been granted powers to investigate federal offenses, just to refresh allen memory:) From the U.S. Code Online via GPO Access [wais.access.gpo.gov] [Laws in effect as of January 3, 2005] [Document affected by Public Law ] [Document affected by Public Law 7 Section )] [CITE: 18USC1001] TITLE 18--CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE PART I--CRIMES CHAPTER 47--FRAUD AND FALSE STATEMENTS Sec. 1001. Statements or entries generally (a) Except as otherwise provided in this section, whoever, in any matter within the jurisdiction of the executive, legislative, or judicial branch of the Government of the United States, knowingly and willfully-- (1) falsifies, conceals, or covers up by any trick, scheme, or device a material fact; (2) makes any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or representation; or (3) makes or uses any false writing or document knowing the same to contain any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or entry; shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years or, if the offense involves international or domestic terrorism (as defined in section 2331), imprisoned not more than 8 years, or both. The entire document is at this URL: http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=browse_usc&docid=Cite:+18USC1001 |
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| Sep 26th 2007, 12:43 Lindsay Druart |
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| Via that code, that does sound correct. However, objectively, wouldn't just using your avatar name be considered a false statement? I mean, I am not really Lindsay Druart and you aren't really Enky Nakamura. I would hope that the law isn't that cut and dry but that does give you a few things to think about. Now that this has been posted, this gives me a whole new outlook on legal action within SL. Thanks for that find Enky. You just helped me a ton. |
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| Sep 26th 2007, 13:13 Wellington Philbin |
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| I really am not trying to criticize SLCapEx Management here, I am just trying to understand what is going on. I have already been told by Bo Beck on these forums that, in so many words, we (the shareholders, fund holders, depositors, and landowners) will be given information when it is appropriate to do so. But, given that the first "provable" claims of fraud came from SL CapEx, and now that Allen has admitted to a number of allegedly nefarious alts, what is the nature of these "discussions" that SL CapEx is having with him? Are they negotiating with someone they view as a criminal? Are they negotiations, or just attempts to fact-find and investigate? Is SL CapEx negotiating with Allen on behalf of "us"? If so, what are their priorities in terms of interested parties? In the face of his recent admissions, as reported elsewhere, what are the negotiators' perceptions as to Allen's intentions? Is this admission of alts the "announcement" that Allen was supposed to make on Monday? Does he have an explanation for his actions? I understand the need for patience, but I also need to know if there are actions I should be taking individually, or as part of another group, if SL CapEx is not looking out for my interests directly. I am not saying they should be. I suspect, first and foremost, that they are looking out for their own interests. I don't fault them for that if that is the case; that is what I would do if I were in that position. I just don't want to end up at the end of this road being left with a shorter end of a stick than I could have had if I did something on my own. Now that I have babbled my stream of consciousness, I'll likely go back to waiting quietly. Sorry for the intrusion, but I suspect many people are feeling the same frustration I have. Some have felt it much longer than I have, since they were depositors or shareholders that were affected by this. |
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| Sep 26th 2007, 13:15 Cadence Juran |
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| Indeed. I have my own RL personal attorney looking into options to pursue, not just for myself but all SL members that have been affected. Rest assured, If Mr. Allen/Sal/whatever one of his alts names he wants to use, believes that I am going to sit back an let him walk away from this without reimbursement, then he has sorely underestimated this New Yorker. Rest assured I have the RL resources to see this thing through. I'm also confident that there will be many more joining the cause as a recourse begins to take shape. Lindsay, I will IM you in game, perhaps we can compare notes or I can have my RL attorney contact your people if need be. Cadence PS- There may be a possibility that we may or may not have many options, but rest assure I will exhaust all options. This kind of blatant fraud must end. The only way that will happen is to attempt a legal precedent towards those that believe they can get away with it. Unfortunately for you Allen, you happen to cross the wrong person. |
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| Sep 26th 2007, 13:30 Cayman Beaumont |
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| I suspect that the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act investigation would be more appropriate. Does anybody here think this is just one individual? CB |
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| Sep 26th 2007, 13:48 Isegrim Nikolaidis |
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| NO the whole deal smells like rotten fish. | ||
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| Sep 26th 2007, 14:04 Lindsay Druart |
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| Currently, there is no more discussion with Investor Allen by SL CapEx Management or myself. I was acting as interim trustee and advisor to assist in the rebuild of AIG but after conferring with my research, this forum, and legal advisory, Investor Allen and AIG has been released as a client of L&L Credit Reporting Agency and all contact has ceased via all forms of communication effective September 26, 2007 at 13:48pm. Please refer any communications about this case to your RL lawyer or our FORMER client. Sincerely, Lindsay Druart |
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| Sep 26th 2007, 14:17 Enky Nakamura |
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| I'm glad to have helped you in your effort Lindsay; and Wellington, yes, i agree with you , but we have to wait. I feel exactly like you. Cayman, i think you're right, could be also an organization and allen is only a piece of it. At this point, we couldnt trust anyone involved with allen. For example, read what allen wrote about Unoti at the time of avix ipo: "....I would like to say special thanks to Unoti Quonset, our programmer. Unoti's strong dedication to our company and a long term business relationship between him and I is what I consider one of my AVIX's greatest assets..." "long term business relationship between him and I" Could you explain Mr.Unoti Quonset? the entire message is still up at http://www.allenvestfinancial.com/home/story/AVIX/119 Enky |
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| Sep 26th 2007, 14:18 ROBO Marx |
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| Its a game and I quote: "The SL Capital Exchange is a FICTITIOUS STOCK MARKET SIMULATION operating SOLELY as an Element to an online GAME. It is NOT a REAL WORLD SECURITIES ENTITY and does NOT offer ANY opportunity for REAL WORLD PROFITS or INVESTMENT. Please be forewarned, we make NO REPRESENTATION OF ANY KIND REGARDING THE ACCURACY, FITNESS FOR PURPOSE OR USE OF THE SOFTWARE CONSTITUTING THE EXCHANGE WHATSOEVER. PLEASE PLAY ACCORDINGLY! THE UNIT OF MEASURE COMMONLY CALLED LINDENS ($L) IS NOT LEGAL TENDER IN OUR VIEW. ANY CONVERSION OF LINDENS INTO ANY OTHER UNIT OF MEASURE INCLUDING US DOLLARS IS SOLELY THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE INDIVIDUAL MAKING SUCH CONVERSION, AND, ANY CONSEQUENCE THEREOF IS SOLELY THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE INDIVIDUAL WHO DOES SO! FURTHER, PLAY AT YOUR OWN RISK! THE "COMPANIES” WITHIN THE GAME MAY BE FICTITIOUS. ANY "PROFITS", "EARNINGS", OR ANY OTHER CLAIM OR REPRESENTATION OF MONETARY VALUE MADE BY ANY INDIVIDUAL WITHIN THE GAME IS SOLELY THEIR OWN LEGAL RESPONSIBILITY. FINALLY, YOUR USE OF THE COMPUTER SOFTWARE LOADED AT HTTP://WWW.SLCAPEX.COM IN ANY MANNER WHATSOEVER SHALL CONSTITUTE AN UNDERSTANDING AND ACCEPTANCE OF THIS DISCLOSURE STATEMENT IN ITS ENTIRETY. THE INDIVIDUALS WHO OPERATE THE SOFTWARE MAKE NO WARRANTY, AND OFFER NO REMEDIES WHATSOEVER FOR ITS USE OR CONSEQUENCE. YOUR USE THEREOF IS SOLELY YOUR OWN PERSONAL AND INDIVIDUAL RESPONSIBILITY." |
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| Sep 26th 2007, 14:24 Lindsay Druart |
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| Enky, I think that is more of a play on words there. From being one of Unoti's customers myself, he does has a tremendous commitment to his work and honors a verbal NDA/NCA that stands for a long term relationship as he won't do the same work for another company without permission. But again, that is what I THINK. I know his is swamped with work so he probably won't respond to your post as he is working on my site as well as others at the moment. |
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